. >> rose: john dickerson just joined us, my colleague at cbs. i just raised a question of whether this debate in any way until we see the next presidential debate either enhanced or stopped in any way the romney momentum coming out of the first debate and the change it had brought. >> i think what it did is it gave democrats something to be, you know, get their blood going again, there was a lot of chaos and fury and then biden hit every point the president missed from talking about the 47 percent video to talking about detroit, to encapsulating the general argument which is that the romney-ryan ticket, this is of course the argument coming from the obama team that the romney-ryan ticket is just kind of so over the top in their claims that they are laughable, now that sucker for democrats, the question is, independents and swing voters who could very well have seen biden's attempt to turn ryan into dan quayle, which i don't think worked, see that and think he is arrogant, think he is a little too full of himself for an a administration that had